New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman said the dwindling number of staffers in the West Wing is “striking” and indicates that press liaisons there are “worn out” by President Donald Trump.

In a conversation Tuesday about Trump’s media ban with Nicolle Wallace on MS NOW’s “Deadline: White House,” Haberman shifted to the apparently shrinking White House personnel who deal with journalists.

“One of the things I mentioned in the last segment [is] how few people are in that West Wing now,” she said. “It’s really very striking. It reminds me a little bit, a lot, over this summer where, you know, he would be at Bedminster, and it was like Natalie Harp and Walt Nauta and Bill Pulte showing up at the golf course over and over again ... according to multiple people. That is partly reflective of the fact that I think people are really worn out around him.”

Wallace reasoned that chief of staff Susie Wiles could impact the roster herself.

“A chief of staff, even in a warped White House, can change that. They can decide who’s on the manifest. They can decide who’s there,” the host said.

“To a point, I mean, again, [Trump] will always decide what he wants to do. So, he will go around people. He will go around staff,” Haberman answered.

“Why doesn’t she quit if she doesn’t have any power?” Wallace asked.

“I don’t think she has no power,” Haberman answered. “I think that she doesn’t have any illusions about who he is, just based on all of our reporting either and what he wants. And I think that’s part of why she has survived and endured in his world.”

Earlier in the interview, the “Regime Change” co-author said she noticed that “several people who actually did engage with reporters who are gone” and “not replaced.” She said of the remaining media staff, “there are not many.”

She also mentioned the recent departure of Taylor Budowich, the former deputy chief of staff overseeing communications.

Although The Times was not targeted in Trump’s barring of CNN, MS NOW and Politico, Haberman concluded that journalists “don’t need to be in the building” to cover the president.

“Obviously, it’s a separate issue as to whether we should be banned,” she added. “That’s a different question, but I also don’t think they quite realize that this is also a shifting media landscape, where you don’t need to be wandering around the West Wing.”

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